I say check the DNA. This guy was the head of a company that used tree chippers to shread all of thier documents in a hurry.

If the feds don't really check this out they are fools.

What facts, what evidence have you seen, that leads you to believe that he did not die?

What facts and evidence have you seen that leads you to believe he is DEAD ? TV news reports we all know they are shaded

I'm having a sale on tinfoil hats; two for $10

LOL

"What facts and evidence have you seen that leads you to believe he is DEAD ? TV news reports we all know they are shaded"

I'm betting you believe a LOT of funny stuff, then. Better get in on MasonM's sale there.

I say I was waiting for this.  And I am a supplier to Mason, so I do get a percentage.

I think you nailed it. Happens all the time.

I knew it was only a matter of time.

What does it say about the current state of affairs when one of the most dependable things in life is the conspiracy theorists.

stutefish - facts are not allowed in the current paradigm.

What facts and evidence have you seen that leads you to believe he is DEAD ?

Let's just say I haven't seen any evidence either way. If you had some evidence to back up your conclusion, I'd probably accept it over the media's conclusion. Do you have any such evidence?

TV news reports we all know they are shaded

What evidence have you seen that they are "shaded" in this case?

What evidence have you seen that they are reporting the opposite of the truth in this case?

The media is making an ordinary claim: That a man the police and hospital officials say is dead, is dead. For such an ordinary claim, I'm satisfied with the ordinary evidence: the media reports, and the police and medical reports they are based on.

You're making an extraordinary claim: that Ken Lay has faked his own death, that the police and hospital officials are either in on the conspiracy or else fooled by the conspiracy, and that the media is similarly either in on it or fooled by it.

For this extraordinary claim, you have offered no evidence, not even ordinary evidence, and certainly not the extraordinary evidence such a claim demands.

So, once again: What evidence have you seen that leads you to make this claim?

The man has enough poWer and Money and connections to pay-off people in order for this to happen. It happened @ a vacation resort in the middle of the night before he was able to appeal his case which would enable him to get the conviction erased and make it very difficult for the lawsuits to hit his estate due to a conviction being expunged. If you believe polical connections Power and money people being paid off do not happen you are living in a dream world.

The man has enough poWer and Money and connections to pay-off people in order for this to happen.

Just because a person allegedly has the means to commit a crime, it doesn't mean they did commit a crime. You still have to show evidence. I'm sure that you could have murdered him; do I get to assume that you did in fact murder him, or should I show some evidence before I start with the accusations?

It happened @ a vacation resort in the middle of the night before he was able to appeal his case which would enable him to get the conviction erased and make it very difficult for the lawsuits to hit his estate due to a conviction being expunged.

Just because a person allegedly has a motive to commit a crime, that doesn't mean they did commit a crime. You still have to show evidence.

If you believe polical connections Power and money people being paid off do not happen you are living in a dream world.

Oh, I believe these things happen. I just haven't seen any evidence that they happened here. I don't think you've seen any evidence either. But hey, if I'm wrong, feel free to share!

And I have another question now: If he had the motive and the opportunity, why not fake his death before the trial even began? He could have saved himself a lot more grief that way. It makes no sense for him to wait until the trial is over and he's already been convicted.

Oh! And I have yet another question! If he had the kind of power you claim, why didn't he use it to work the trial in his favor? Why allow it to come to this in the first place?

Don't get me wrong.

I like Conspiracy Theories. I think they're awsome. I actually even collect them. My favorite was Iran-Contra, on account of the conspirators finding the perfect patsy. It's really rare to see such a competent, loyal, and committed patsy as Oliver North. He totally believed in the righteousness of his cause, and was totally willing to take the fall so his dark masters could get away with their shenanigans.

I just don't think this particular theory has a lot of support. I really am curious to know if you have any evidence to support it, or if it's just another one of those "what if...?" theories made of supposition and innuendo.

or if it's just another one of those "what if...?" theories made of supposition and innuendo.

Aren't those really the best kind?

Aren't those really the best kind?

Well, everybody's tastes differ. I really like learning about human achievements, because they tell us a lot about ourselves as a species: what we are capable of doing, and what we are driven to do.

If there were evidence that Ken Lay had faked his own death, and either co-opted or conned the authorities, that would be very exciting to me, because it would be an actual case of humans achieving something--something dastardly, in this case, and something for which I would demand swift justice. But it would be an achievement just the same, and a pretty impressive one, too. I'd eagerly follow the investigation, and excitedly receive each new piece of evidence detailing how he managed to pull it off.

Other people prefer a good fantasy. Wouldn't it be amazing if...? Isn't it possible that...? Such brainstorming sessions can be fun, and I've indulged in quite a few myself, but these conspiracy theories don't quite have that same compelling real-world "truthiness" as an actual conspiracy, leaking clues all over the place.

there are no laws that prevent them from going after his estate. Do some research